Doership

-Sat joins the call after the group has been discussing and contemplating the topic of doership for the last 5 weeks.
She says: Welcome everyone, I hope you all had a wonderful month on non-doership.
The following questions are asked and answered by Sat. The first three refer to the previous Chat when She had joined, and the last seven pertain specifically to doership.
Question 1: What is the exact meaning of doership? Does it mean conscious doing?
Sat: I don’t think too many people understand what that means, no matter how much it is being explained. It really, really has nothing to do with what you do, what the body does, what you decide. There is an awareness, there is a deep understanding and conviction that ‘yes, my body moved through my life, yes, the thinking made decisions, the thinker was a part of it.’
But when you look at it closely, you see that everything happened automatically. But who will give some time to that? If you do, you see it. You see it! All you have to do is go back, if you cannot find it in now that you are not the doer, go back from ten years to now and you see that it just happened. Everything just happened. Now, the understanding of this needs to be really engrained in us, to understand what it means to not be the doer. It is not something that you go around and say to yourself, ‘I am not the doer,’ and contentedly thinking that you have realized it. It is not like this at all! It takes years of contemplation to see that the maya just happens, the night dream just happens.
The dreamer only goes to bed; we just find ourself in the body and everything does happen. Yes, it appears that the thinker thinks, the intellect helps, the senses are like this, etc. They are all part of it. But when we really find ourself as a stable and permanent place of a witness, even if we have glimpses of it, we realize why we are not a doer. Not that we are not the doer, but why we are not the doer.
Question 2: When we feel more vulnerable physically and or mentally, we believe the maya more and the world therefore seems more real. What should we do during these times as it pertains to doership?
Sat: Nothing, just go through it because you would not ask this question if you knew how to get out of it! Just go through it and if anything, first find some sort of an okayness with the situation that you have been fooled and we all get fooled, it is not just one person, and then be okay with it. If there is nothing that you can do that is helping, just let the wheel go through the motion and come out of it. We are not fighting neither with the mind nor with our practices; when we can, we can, when we cannot, we can’t. That is just how it is, but overall, we all have a better understanding of ourselves and of life, we all have a less reactive life, we all have more grace that we feel in our life. So, be happy just for that! We don’t need to have solutions for everything, we need to have understanding. Understanding that maybe most things don’t need a solution and that they can be left alone.
Question 3: There are times when a thought comes and I want to say or do something, and instead I choose to stay silent, because I know that I will get more entangled with more involvement and or actions.
Part 1: By remaining silent, are we still being the doer as the thought has already risen? Or is this a good way to avoid doership and let it flow?
In other words, is being silent avoiding being a doer?
Sat: Yes, being silence, meaning you are not going to have silence, you are the silence. It is not avoiding being the doer, there is no doer. When you are silent, there is no thinker. There is no avoidance, it just vanishes, it just goes away (makes a poof sound).
Question 4: There are times when we do things that bring us a sense of satisfaction. Although the satisfaction is very temporary, it still feels good though. Is this sense of temporary satisfaction a part of accepting that we are a doer and are actually doing something?
Sat: Just let it go, that is nit picking. I tell you, non-doership is through conviction, it is not through activity and approach, all you have to do is look around. Look around in your life and see what part where you were as an ego, rather than the witness! It is so different; it is so different than what we think not being a doer is. Contemplation- I would say please contemplate, instead of learning how to avoid, erase or change oneself from doership to non-doership, just contemplate on life!
Guys, realization is an awareness! It is not through the intellect. It is not through reasoning. It is not through repetition. It is an awareness that dawns on you through your interest and contemplation.
These are nice questions guys, good job because it gives more understanding of what you need to know.
Question 5: Sometimes we make a bad choice and we say that we are not the doer. Since the day dream is like the night dream, is there anything such as a good or bad choice?
Sat: You tell Me. It is a preference, it is duality, ‘I prefer that over this, so if I do this, it is a mistake, if I don’t do this it is a …’ again, we are going to go back to not our behavior and approach, but to contemplation and understanding that turns into a deep realization of non-doership. It is not a position that we take, or avoidance; we see through the clouds.
It is as if an airplane is in the clouds and is asking about below and above- ‘how can I do this or that?’ All it has to do is be quiet and just keep on moving upwards and then coming out of the clouds.
I think tonight if anybody is taking anything with them [as a takeaway] out of these ten questions, it is contemplating deeply on why we thought that we are the doer. What does all of this that we are discussing mean? And really looking at life from the past, from the time we were a baby until now. Did our parents happen to us or did we send a telegram from other realms to choose them? Was our sibling our choice, was our look our choice, was our body our choice, is our thinking our choice? The time that we leave our body, is that our choice? Was it our decision making? Come on, we all can see that!
Good night, everybody, Namaste to all of you.