Conversation With Sat-Senses-I Am and 4Brothers

2025-06-17-USAChat-Qs&As with Sat

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-Sat joins the call after the group has spent the last four weeks discussing the Four Brothers & prior to that, other relevant topics. She welcomes everyone and then answers the following questions:


1) The following question is from one of our newcomers: God has given us the five senses and emotions such as feeling happy, sad, jealous, etc. If we are not supposed to pay attention to these emotions and to only watch them, then why did God put these emotions in us?

Sat: Well, if you think it is beneficial use it. I have nothing against it. I am against revenge, greed, anger, all this worry, anxiety and depression. These are also emotions and feelings. Would you like to have them? No! The path of Truth is telling you exactly what they are and these are all human traits. If you are on this path to rise above the suffering, then you use the human faculties to your benefit, not to your destruction. In other words, if a feeling is uncomfortable, if the fear is too strong, let it go! Don’t say ‘if God created it, I should stay with it.’ God did not create fear, the mind did!
So, let’s be clear about what the path of Truth or Jhani, or nondualism is. It is taking you above good and bad, where there is peace. That does not mean that you are not allowed to descend and experience pain and joy. You do that as much as you want to. If you got tired of it, then there is a way to rise above it as you like to do so and as you become more mature in that way.

2) On a recent compilation audio, You say: “Most enlightened people live an ordinary life and they have all sorts of human stuff in their life as well as human traits. But what makes them different is that they know what ‘I am’ is and They know what the dream is.” (After Livestream compilation, May 9, 12 & 16th)
My apologies for asking a kindergartener question, I have never really understood ‘I am,’ as You refer to it. With everything You have revealed recently about the Consciousness, can You please tell me what You mean by ‘I am’ each time You say it, so I can understand it?

Sat: Sure, thank you for this question. I welcome a question that is really inquiring into something very important. The only thing that we know is that we are. We don’t know anything else, we don’t know about our body, we don’t know about our mind, we don’t know about our relationships, we don’t know about our world, all we know is that we exist. That means ‘I am.’ Your ‘I am’ ness testifies to other people’s ‘I am’ ness. In other words, your Beingness, the ‘I am’ was first and then the Consciousness appeared to have all sorts of things in it. Can you follow Me? It is very, very deep! If there are people on the phone who don’t understand, it is totally okay. Just listen carefully and don’t try to analyze it.
The ‘I am’ is the roots that is giving existence to the tree of life. So, when we hold onto the ‘I am,’ when I say to hold onto the ‘I am’ as Nisargadatta and Ramana say, that means stay without this or that. Just stay in your own Beingness and that is Pure Consciousness and even beyond Pure Consciousness. At that time, even ‘am’ is eliminated and there is only an ‘I’, but this ‘I’ is not personal, it doesn’t belong just to you and I. It is the ‘I’. That is what it means.


3) If we are truly present, do we need any beliefs? If we have to put effort into believing something, does that show us it’s not true?

Sat: If you have really gone beyond the picture, you don’t need the picture, you don’t need a belief, you don’t need hope, you don’t need worship, you don’t need a Guru, you don’t need a Guide! Yes, but if you do, you do! Do not pretend that you don’t and if you don’t, do not pretend you do! In other words, let’s be very honest with ourselves! If you don’t, you are on the top [floor] of the building, enjoy the view!

4) Many of the tools are great in helping deal with thoughts, but when it comes to the body or emotions, should the tools be used differently?

Sat: I am not clear about this question. You Stay when there is a thought that bothers you, instead of having dialogue with it, or getting interested in it. Do the same thing with the pain in your body, do the same thing with emotions. You see, we are learning how to overcome pain and suffering through wisdom, not out of suggestion, not through positive thinking, which are very, very good, don’t get Me wrong. But we are really becoming aware of the quality of thoughts and emotions by accepting them. I am not asking anyone nor Myself to reject thoughts, or to push away thoughts, emotions or pain in the body. No, you stay with it, but we don’t have to identify with it- as much as we can. We can’t own it.
You see, when you own something, you have to bear the consequence for that which is in your hand. In other words, you have to take care of it, you have to make sure you don’t lose it, you have to make sure that you don’t misplace it, etc. So, there is a lot of stories about it. But if you don’t own something, you can enjoy it without fear and anxiety.
5) In a private conversation, You said, “If you want to accept only one truth from all of the truths that I have said, accept the last lines of the ‘I am I’ article where it says, ‘No Cause or reason, I am I.’ There is no cause or reason in anything.” (3.5.25)
May I ask You to elaborate on this truth that there is no cause or reason in anything?
Sat: Have you noticed that whenever we give cause and reason to something, we start a whole movie in our mind. A movie that is made up and is not on the realization. In other words, no matter how many causes and reasons we give to our lives and to the world, if we have to be really honest, is it true? The cause and reason we are giving to the world, is it true? Is it really true? Do we really know? Then we realize that we don’t know. The reason we don’t know is because there isn’t anything to know. Now, let’s go back to our night dream, when you sleep, is there a reason or cause for the dream that we have, whether it is a holy dream, or a scary dream or an entertaining dream? Or does it just happen?
Now, even though it just happens, still it is a mysterious creation that is beyond the understanding of our thoughts, mind and body. So, how can we accept the cause or reason for it? And if there is, which I was told that there isn’t, say if there is, what good does it do to us? Does it change anything?
You know, the sun shines, the clouds move, the rain pours, the reincarnation happens! The mind wants to give it a cause, the mind and science want to say why the sun rises, why it is setting, why this or that happens, etc. Nobody can really come up with an original reason or cause. Impossible!
6) You have always said that early on in Your own spiritual journey, You were told that one day Your weaknesses would be transformed into Your strengths. With Your most unique position and the being physically away from Your Guru, how did You go about doing that for Yourself?
Sat: Only the weaknesses pull your attention towards themselves, because it doesn’t feel good! And if you are smart enough, you don’t pacify it by drinking alcohol, [doing] drugs and all sorts of [other] things, etc. What you do is find out the cause of suffering, the cause of not being happy.
So, for Me, even though I was far from My Guru, My interest in freedom was extremely intense. I can’t even begin to tell the story of My life- how intense it was, and how many hours a day I spent. With the grace of the Guru and the grace of the inner Guru, I started getting direction because I could not be close to My Guru and get it verbally. It was not easy, but every weakness through wisdom turned to a strength.
I don’t have too much memory of the past, even My own realization, but I really firmly believe that if you look at your own life, those of you who have been hearing this type of stuff for quite some time, you see that your weaknesses have turned to strengths. You went after a solution, you found it, you remedied it, and you removed it- by the grace.
7) My teenager who was born and raised in the U.S. is very angry, worried & sad about the war in Iran. They have fear and frustration. May I ask You kindly to advise us how to help my child?
Sat: Each child comes with different tendencies, weaknesses and strengths. Just questioning the child if they open up to you, not just opening the door to their room and starting to question them. I don’t mean that, questioning the way that you are reacting to this war, how are you helping the Iranians? And do you want to help? If you do, then you have to be quiet and Trust. Trust the Mother and ask for peace, Stay away from the news, instead of the news, Trust! Instead of getting angry, pray for peace! Instead of shouting, call on the Mother! That is how we do it.
-The following questions are on the topic of Four Brothers.
8) Dear Sat, You have taught us that a baby is born with a white canvas and does not have any luggage. On the other hand, in the article of Four Brothers, it explains that each child is born with his or her Four brothers. It appears that there is a contradiction. Can You please elaborate and help me understand this?

Sat: No, the contradiction is in your own understanding, it is not in the words. I have said many, many times, even in I am the Child, that even though the spirit of the child is that ultimate Absolute, the soul comes with tendencies of many lifetimes that find lodging in the heart of the newborn and later on in life, it shows up.
If you read, I am the Child, you will see that.
What is happening is that the child is born pure, but that doesn’t mean that the memory and the impressions are not hovering around the child as the reincarnation of the soul. When they find a good ground, they show up. It is up to the wise parents to see that and eliminate it by wisdom. But if 99% of the time the parents themselves are blind, how can they see the tendency and turn it into a strength by giving the child some tools and some understanding?
Definitely the soul comes with Four Brothers, otherwise it would not be born in these realms. But the spirit of the child is pure Existence, Sat, Chit, Ananda which means Existence, Consciousness, Bliss. This is why you could have two or three children and each completely different from the other, even though they have the same parents, the same reaction, everything. One could be sensitive, one could be happy go lucky, one could be this way or that way. This is because the impressions found a body through the soul to express themselves, eliminate themselves and free the soul!

9) What is the relationship between the Four Brothers and the law of Karma?

Sat: Well, let’s understand karma. Karma means action and reaction, that’s all it means. If you had to translate karma, the Sanskrit word into English, it would be action and reaction. In physics, although I have never studied physics, intuitively I am saying that there is always an action and reaction in everything. Action and reaction bounce off each other. In other words, they are a reflection of one another. So, all of these are for this realm of existence of the body. In reality there is no karma, or reincarnation. God does not need to be born and reborn again and have Four Brothers. If we are talking about these realms, then we see that this is the meaning of karma.
What is the question, I got off track and forgot the question?

-The question is reread.

Sat: Four Brothers means impressions, of course it is very, very closely related with action and reaction. It is the impressions that are acting this way or that way, or reacting. They are one and the same, but really knowing the difference between these really does not do too much for us. They are just words, even if we relay it to each other, it doesn’t advance us much.

10) At the Sai Center on April 2, 2023, in elaboration on the Four Brothers, You said, “When in the morning you wake up from your night dream, you have freed all the images you had in the dream. So, when you have awakening in this dream, you have really released a lot of people that are affiliated with you.”
Can You please help me understand this truth better?

Sat: Yes, we keep each other in slavery by our thinking. When I think of you Little Flower as a limited self, the image I have of you in my mind is limited. If you multiply that by every person that you know, they are actually emphasizing in you being in the prison of the body and the soul. But when you go to an enlightened person who has realized themselves, just by sitting by Them, this prison vanishes for that moment. Why does it vanish at that moment? The person who you are sitting by because They don’t have their own prison, by the virtue of not having association with someone else’s prison, yours weakens.
You find peace around an enlightened soul, you find security, you find courage, you find the things that you didn’t even know that you had in you. So, imagine yourself that you are awakened in this dream, you know who you are, and the vibration that you give out without trying to is healing, it changes the picture for people around you- your family, your friends, etc. That is why people go search for holy men and women in India and elsewhere, because they know that by association, they can easily transcend their fear and anxiety. That is why I went to India!

11) In The Four Brother article You say, “With deeper understanding, you become familiar with your personal Four Brothers and the Universal Four Brothers, and that is how you can become more familiar with that Self that you truly are, which is the observer.”
My question is, what are the universal Four Brothers?

Sat: It is the collective Four Brothers. It is the human Four Brothers, not individual Four Brothers. All humans want to protect themselves- self-preservation. All humans want to live longer, all humans want to stay healthy. So, it is a collective energy. All humans want freedom, they want joy, they want happiness, eternal happiness, but they go into different branches to find it. That is what it means. It is not a personal fear or like or dislike, it is a universal one.
Thank you everyone on the phone for being interested. Before I go, I would like to emphasize on something that I always emphasize. Spirituality is freedom, it is not another discipline on your shoulder; if you feel like it is a discipline, leave it. Go and become totally immersed into the world! What I am trying to tell you is that it is the simplest way of being, without pressure, without force, without changing, replacing, repairing- just pure you, the naked you. Is it hard to be naked, pure and simple? If you have a complex mind, yes. But again, remember, it is simply you. Namaste.

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June 17, 2025